You Know What?

It was not Senator Obama who called these comments disgraceful - in fact, it was David Axelrod who said we need to back off this and see it for what it is. On MSNBC.

This isn't Senator Obama's fault the gaffe is getting play.

This isn't his supporters fault.

This isn't sexism on the Obama camp's fault.

This isn't DailyKos, MyDD or anyone else's fault.

The reason this is getting play is for two reasons. Senator Clinton and the Media.

Kindly, quit fucking blaming Obama supporters for blowing this out of proportion. We have a right to be offended but we don't get to decide what runs on CNN, MSNBC, Fox or in the news media.

I hope you understand we don't have a direct line to Keith Olbermann. We just listen to the media too.

So stop with the hit diaries about Senator Obama being worse or this being Senator Obama's fault. It's the media.



Display:


Re: You Know What? (none / 0)

What exactly does Obama have to do with what she said anyway ?


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:48:24 PM EST

What she said came off wrong (2.00 / 1)

and people feel it leaves too much leeway to be interpreted as "I'm waiting for someone to assassinate Obama."


Commissar: Canadian Gal; Proletariat Policemen: ragekage, Lord Hadrian. "For the Proletariat!"
by Lord Hadrian on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:49:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What she said came off wrong (none / 0)

Well If you watched the interview like I did and the  clip is all over the place , its hard to come to that conclusion.

I thought it was inappropriate to the Kennedy's in light of what Ted is going through and she apologized to the family .

However some people just keep trying to drag Obama into it when she wasn't even talking about him at all.

It is very fascinating.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:54:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What she said came off wrong (none / 0)

If it isn't about him why would it be his fault?

That's the point Lord makes.


Mooseburgers? Careful Sarah. Moose bite back!
by spacemanspiff on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:08:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

who has said it was? (none / 0)

For once answer a question honestly this time. ANd for that matter I see lots of fanatics posting drivel about it, but I guess their faux outrage is all her fault because she, uh, her husband played around on her or something?


by zerosumgame on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:56:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

*crickets* (none / 0)

and after such a quick run of HR's for no reason and your normal hate posts, funny you have not answered this yet...


by zerosumgame on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:46:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What she said came off wrong (none / 0)

I don't believe that for one second. But it reveals a mind set. A mind set we must now go beyond.


The Moose is Loose!
by duende on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:54:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What she said came off wrong (none / 0)

i agree with almost all that your diary said.  one problem though, an BO campaign statement came out shortly after the comments were made that actually blew this thing up before later backing off of it.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:52:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What she said came off wrong (none / 0)

Oops, I bet da 'Lord' didn't think anyone would catch that!


by zerosumgame on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:57:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Unfortunate and no place in a campaign (none / 0)

Are hardly firestarting. The media was going to run with it regardless.

That statement is correct. It's unfortunate and has no place in a campaign. It doesn't insinuate anything else.

Even if Senator Obama wasn't running. Bringing up JFK's assassination is stupid. Period.

I don't think anyone believes it to be anything other than that - Senator Obama and David Axelrod and anyone who isn't a pundit is saying the same thing: not what she intended, unfortunate she said it, let's move on.


Commissar: Canadian Gal; Proletariat Policemen: ragekage, Lord Hadrian. "For the Proletariat!"
by Lord Hadrian on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:02:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What she said came off wrong (none / 0)

As lori said you have to bring that view in with you, it is not in the video.


by zerosumgame on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:54:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You Know What? (2.00 / 1)

Dunno.  But Clinton supporters keep blaming Obama supporters for what's happening.

I will note that referencing assassination is never a good idea.  This is particularly true when there has been loud undertones of racial and gender hatred by some in the media, the right, and sadly, the left.  This is especially true given the sad history of assassination against important black political figures in this country.  


John McCain: Healthcare for Kids? In America? No way
by bosdcla14 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:51:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You Know What? (none / 0)

Why should we be appologizing for anything
the only person that needs to appologize today is Hillary Clinton
Continue the discussion: http://westernfieldsreport.blogspot.com
by SheriffChris on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:48:29 PM EST

Re: You Know What? (none / 0)

Well, KeithO does answer my Orange phone on Thursdays. But no direct connection today ;)


John McCain wants to make abortion illegal
by Lost Thought on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:48:39 PM EST

Re: You Know What? (none / 0)

well, if you truly feel this way, I would hope that the millions of Obama supporters will flood MSNBC, CNN and other MSM phone lines and email, stating that.

like you all did for the ABC debate.  


by colebiancardi on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:51:23 PM EST

Re: You Know What? (none / 0)

**Truly feel what way?  Unjustly accused capitalizing on Hillary's poor thought processes?  That's for her supporters to defend.  They should be  approaching the media.  Obamans are not part of that equation.


If the choice is between hope and fear, always choose hope. BC
by greylox on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:56:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You Know What? (none / 0)

It isn't the Hillary supporters that are outraged by the comments.  However, Hillary supporters writing or calling the MSM on this won't make a difference.  Obama supporters would - you know, unity?

When Hillary supporters went on TV and blogs and talked about sexism, the MSM shat all over it and said oh, no we didn't.  However, if both sides went on TV & talked about it, it would have been taken more seriously.

Same thing here.  The people who support her can't complain, because they get called whiners and sour grapes, all that stuff.


by colebiancardi on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:00:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Lack of action (none / 0)

on the part of her supporters. Part of the reason she is not controlling the narrative. If you're not going to do your part, don't ask your opponents to do it for you.


John McCain wants to make abortion illegal
by Lost Thought on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:06:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Lack of action (none / 0)

we've kinda moved on from this.  I really don't tune into MSM anymore.  I get it all here :)


by colebiancardi on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:08:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

As the Mechanics say... (none / 0)

Well, there's your problem :)


John McCain wants to make abortion illegal
by Lost Thought on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:37:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You Know What? (2.00 / 1)

I appreciate what you're saying, but we're sure not going to launch a "defend Hillary" drive.

She threw us no such lifeline when the media was having a feeding frenzy over the bitter comment. Heck, she was leading the charge.

Axelrod said he didn't think she was implying Obama could be assassinated. I have no doubt that Obama himself will refuse to attack her for it when he finally goes on the record. I think it's enough that the Obama camp isn't trying to profit politically from it (much the same way Hillary showed initial restraint on Rev. Wright before changing her mind).


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:09:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

We should thank Hillary (2.00 / 1)

So many from the baby boomer generation, and many African Americans, have feared this from the beginning. This is the deformation of the trauma of the 60s. Hillary isn't to blame, but she's finally let slip what many people have secretly feared.

I'm glad it's out in the open. Enough of this fear of right wing assassins, racists, thugs. Enough of cowing to their agenda and their violence. Look where it led....

It's over guys. Hillary has probably blown herself up. But in the process she has done us all the favor of airing the last taboo. She wasn't condoning political violence, or right wing conspiracies, but her whole life has been formed by it.

So has mine. I thank god a new generation are beyond this fear, and can start a new chapter.


The Moose is Loose!
by duende on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:53:09 PM EST

That's an interesting take (2.00 / 1)

Honestly, I'm not as offended as some, but my investment in Clinton's candidacy wasn't exactly strong;  it's clear to me that she's tired.  

Clinton needs to stand back and realize that she's saying stuff that implies things that she doesn't mean and ends up hurting people.  Her opponents don't manufacture ALL of the outrage (if any)... she's got to realize something that Obama knows and owns up to: that words do matter, and the President's words should be the ones that matter most.

I guess having a near-illiterate in the White House for the last eight years has made people forget that it should be a scalpel, not a bludgeon.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

That One/Another Fella '08

by Dracomicron on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:27:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I had no idea... (2.00 / 3)

...that someone would have the audacity to blame Obama for all this.

Or that their diary blaming Obama for "swiftboating" Clinton over this comment (as if they even know what that word freaking MEANS anymore) would get top spot on the rec list.

I am truely gobsmacked.  

I can cut Clinton some slack for not WANTING Obama to be assasinated.  But she is such an accomplished and poised politician that I can't deny that she said it intentionally.

It was disgusting. It was vile.  And it wasn't an accident.

I dont' even know what else to say about it.


by DawnG on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:56:21 PM EST

Re: I had no idea... (none / 0)

man, the hyperboles run wild tonight.


by colebiancardi on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:00:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I had no idea... (2.00 / 1)

I wouldn't give it much thought. They're defending their candidate. Forget that it's linfar's usual semi-coherent ramblings; the content could be a simple "Clinton supporters check in here!" and it'd still end up at the top on a night like tonight. It's a symbolic showing of frustration and anger.

Whatever.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:12:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I had no idea... (none / 0)

but that is what is so creepy about it.

It's the cheerleading, the fanboy/girl attitude.  

Clinton supporters mock Obama supporters for their starry eyed adoration of Obama and then turn around and have the same attitude about Clinton.  It's disturbing to see (no matter who it's about).  The left isn't SUPPOSED to be about blind adoration of our politicians.  That's the Right's forte.  We're supposed to be demanding of dems.  Supportive but critical.  That's supposed to be OUR forte.

This is just disturbing in the extreme to watch.


by DawnG on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:13:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Let's Face It (2.00 / 1)

Hillary knows that there's no way for her to get away with stealing the nomination at this point.
So the only hope she has is for something to instantly destroy Obama's campaign before he gets the magic number (2025), or before the convention.

In the meantime, Clinton's team can only hope that some incredible Obama misstep or scandal comes to the surface and destroys Obama as a viable Democratic candidate in the GE.

Of course she doesn't want Obama to die. But she clearly was pointing out how things could change suddenly, even as late as June. And for her to put out there the assassination of RFK as an example of 'shit happens' is one of the most incredibly callous and insensitive remarks I've ever heard in a political campaign. There's no possible context to explain or justify such a horrific comment.


Let the children lose it Let the children use it Let all the children boogie
by toyomama on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:46:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You Know What? (none / 0)

Hillary speaks the truth even when it is uncomfortable to do so.  It's funny how "ordinary people" chatter all the time about how Barack Obama only receives votes from AA's and the very far left and how his superficial similarities to JFK uncomfortably suggest a possible similar tragic fate.  

You probably won't find many Hillary supporters who care either way about what she said, just as Obama supporters don't care anymore when their guy tells blatant lies.  The loyalties have cemented and issues like this just annoy Hillary supporters and increase their resolve.

The GOP-loving media knows exactly what they're doing.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, flirted with McCain for a bit but it just wasn't meant to be.
by BPK80 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:03:34 PM EST

However (2.00 / 1)

if Obama invoked the assassination of Clinton, I'd be all over him and pissed off as Hell. I have tried so hard to stay calm over this ridiculous Primary, but her statement today was the final straw. When one candidate turns to the possibility of the violent death of her opponent as her reason for staying in the race, nothing else can ever matter.

It's over - no nomination, no VP, and a struggle to regain the respect that she previously seemed to deserve. Not that this was the first time she discussed the possibility of assassination. If you don't want to accept what a horrible misstep this was for her to say, then feel free not to.

It's now - FINALLY, and without a single question - time for her to get off the playing field.


by RNinNC on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:19:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: However (none / 0)

No one invoked the "assassination" of either candidate here.  She was clearly using examples to illustrate her point that anything can happen in politics.  I acknowledge her choice of examples may have been inartful, if for no other reason than her rabid haters are starving for anything to fight about since she's been so conciliatory over the past month.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, flirted with McCain for a bit but it just wasn't meant to be.
by BPK80 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 04:00:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

It's Beginning to Look (none / 0)

like anyone who doesn't smell roses every time she speaks is a "rabid hater". If she had won the nomination - as it seemed she would at the beginning - I'd have supported her. I was more an Edwards man, but he came in third. She needs to accept that she's at BEST a distant second where it matters - delegates. She's lost. And she is now digging a hole from which she may never emerge.

I left dKos for two months over the Hillary Hatred over there - I left them with a scathing diary for piling on Hillary when she still had a chance. I feel duped by her now - I don't think she has the party's best interest at heart after all.

And NO ONE in her position should be allowed to get away with a statement as "inartful" as the one she made. I wouldn't let Obama, Edwards, or W off for anything close to that, and I won't give Clinton yet ANOTHER benefit of the doubt either. She's DONE.


by RNinNC on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:19:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's Beginning to Look (2.00 / 1)

I don't understand how you would apply your last statement to other inartful statements made by the people you mentioned.  If you mean to say you evenhandedly call out all politicians who say arguably offensive things or say things that are inconsistent, then I salute you.

In all candor, I think this doesn't rank among her worst mishaps on the campaign.  I think the LBJ comment was so widely open to nefarious interpretation that it takes the cake.  I get that she was trying to show it was an example of Black and white Americans achieving something through unity, but some people took it as a slight for MLK.

And frankly, the more I listen to her speech and think about it, I don't know what she was trying to say exactly.  She was obviously exhausted and was either trying to say that these the myriad of life's possibilities is what keeps her in the campaign or making an observation about major events that have happened in June.  

It's clear though that her intent was to use the history of primaries either going through summer or having unexpected occurrences to defend against the narrative inducing her to leave the race.  I do not believe for a second her intent was to draw attention to the possibility that Barack Obama may be assassinated or that he hopes or wishes that he would be.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, flirted with McCain for a bit but it just wasn't meant to be.
by BPK80 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:30:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I Try for Even Handedness, Don't Always Succeed. (none / 0)

I agree that she didn't intend to state that she "hopes or wishes" for Obama's assassination. The problem is, bringing it up in the context that she did could invite some genuine CrAZies out there to attempt a follow up.

I see her statement as saying "I'm here because you just never know what might happen to the frontrunner." That's a creepy statement to me. I mean, Edwards could step back in "just in case" something "happens" to BOTH Clinton and Obama. How far back do we have to follow the path of candidates who fell short before we're safe "just in case"?

She could have avoided SOME of this disaster if she'd simply admitted she'd made a mistake. She doesn't seem any more capable of that than our current President, and I do not like that in a person. Sure, not everyone would be appeased because there are plenty of people who are no longer willing to be appeased by her. But her "I regret that people were upset" is just more political B.S. that says "I'm passing the buck". Doublespeak is another characteristic I frown upon.


by RNinNC on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:51:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Good points (2.00 / 1)

Speaking frankly again, I think what she's hoping for is not an assassination but rather for a bombastic irreparable scandal.  

And in all fairness, the "I regret if people were offended" is taken right out of the Bittergate playbook.  There was never a real apology for that, presumably because in both causes, an apology implies an amission on some level of wrongdoing and neither candidate really thought they were doing anything malicious.  

But to both candidates' credit, they have apologized for things voluntarily.  Obama for the sweetie thing and Clinton said something very mea culpa about the white Americans thing on CNN.  

I suppose her biggest fault here was either being unaware or inconsiderate of the prevalent apprehension people have that Obama's safety is at risk.  Personally, I didn't know those fears were anything more than fanciful hypotheticals; I'd heard them before but thought they were errant.  It's coming to light now that many people really do believe it's possible (or else it's just being advanced to raise the outrage meter).  Either way, it's probably something she could have been more attuned to.    


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, flirted with McCain for a bit but it just wasn't meant to be.
by BPK80 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:02:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I Do Wish ALL Politicians (2.00 / 1)

could say "I'm sorry - let me rephrase that." Of course, it would be videotaped, pulled out of context, and used as a battering ram against them for the rest of their career. It truly is a dark time for politics.

"Talking" to you has calmed me some. It's easy to forget that we're all Democrats here when events seem to strike us SO completely differently. Democratic unity is going to be a challenging commitment from now until November, but I believe that it will happen. Ultimately, we don't have much of a choice - McCain is UTTERLY unacceptable by ANY metric.


by RNinNC on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:09:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I Do Wish ALL Politicians (none / 0)

Thank you.

I think McCain is very eeire both on a personal and professional level.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, flirted with McCain for a bit but it just wasn't meant to be.
by BPK80 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:05:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

All That Said Above (none / 0)

I truly appreciate your civil interaction. There are far too many people around - ON BOTH SIDES - who just throw TR's to express disagreement. I'm happy to have found someone here who, along with me, does NOT fall into that category.


by RNinNC on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:22:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: All That Said Above (2.00 / 1)

Thank you.  I do use the ratings system from time to time when something is a personal attack but not out of mere disagreement.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, flirted with McCain for a bit but it just wasn't meant to be.
by BPK80 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:34:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You Know What? (2.00 / 1)

Barack Obama only receives votes from AA's and the very far left

That isn't true.


Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:20:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You Know What? (none / 0)

Do your own research.  The exit polls are ubiquitous but for further and more demonstrable evidence on this topic, check the county-by-county returns for any of the elections post-Wright.  Pennsylvania, Indiana, North Carolina, Kentucky, West Virginia, Oregon.  

Over 90% of the African American vote, and the only non AA's he performs well with are the affluent & students, also known broadly as academia.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, flirted with McCain for a bit but it just wasn't meant to be.
by BPK80 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 03:59:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You Know What? (none / 0)

Barack Obama only receives votes from AA's and the very far left

Evidence or retraction.  Hop to it.


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by mistersite on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:56:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

So you would have had NO problem... (none / 0)

...whatsoever if those exact same words came out of Obama's mouth?

Somehow I doubt that to be the case and THAT is the measure of whether you're a tad blinded by bias to offer an objective comment.

it was offensive no matter who said it.


by DawnG on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:16:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: So you would have had NO problem... (none / 0)

Well, it seems Obama supporters are thrilled with this because it gives them a specious excuse to do what they do best: complaining.


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, flirted with McCain for a bit but it just wasn't meant to be.
by BPK80 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 04:01:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You Know What? (1.50 / 2)

Let me see if I get this right.

Hillary Clinton made a comment about June referencing two instances when she knew the primaries went into June - with Bill Clinton in June of 1992 and in 1968 - because she remembers that Bobby Kennedy was assassinated just after the California primary in June - one of those time stamp memories.

Poor choice, poor context.
Intent?  Doubtful.
Press all over her like white on rice.

Obama made a comment in March comparing the great suffering he was enduring in the drawn-out primaries with the Bataan Death March and there was hardly a ripple.  Obama's choice of words was a deliberate metaphor that trivialized the suffering and deaths of thousands.

Yeah - there really is a double standard going on.
No Obama vote here.
No Obama votes from millions of Clinton supporters.
I would laugh when Obama goes down to a Dukakis-level defeat in November
if it wasn't so friggin' pathetic.


by johnnygunn on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:19:27 PM EST

We really don't care if you don't vote. (2.00 / 2)

We're not going to get on our knees to convince you otherwise and we're not going to be slandered because the media decides they like Obama more.

Seriously. Don't give a shit. Vote for a llama if you want to. I'm not polishing someone's poll for a two-bit vote.


Commissar: Canadian Gal; Proletariat Policemen: ragekage, Lord Hadrian. "For the Proletariat!"
by Lord Hadrian on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:24:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: We really don't care if you don't vote. (2.00 / 2)

There are certainly some who appear to be waiting for Obama to get on his knees, but I'll certainly take the time to engage any Hillary supporter who wants to hear why I support Obama and not McCain.

You probably will, too, Hadrian, but dammit there are some people on this site who are making it so difficult, especially with him winning.  We only need the reasonable democrat Clinton supporters.  These nutjobs can stay home (despite the fact that they'll suffer with a McCain presidency and benefit from an Obama presidency just like everyone else).


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:39:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

We aren't babysitters (2.00 / 1)

We can act as an Obama surrogate in debates, but we can't control people.

Some folks, there's no arguing with.  They want to go to their grave swearing that Obama is a lying elitist muslim, nothing we say is going to change their mind.

I'm astounded at how this Clinton flap can possibly be turned around on Obama when... well, it can't, reasonably.  By default, it's unreasonable, and we can't do more than inject a little reason here and there and hope that it spreads.

Worrying about some of these people's ultimate votes is where madness dwells.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

That One/Another Fella '08

by Dracomicron on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:46:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: We aren't babysitters (none / 0)

Keep in mind there are reasonable Democrats here who support Clinton and will support the nominee but have very legitimate reservations about the nominee's character.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, flirted with McCain for a bit but it just wasn't meant to be.
by BPK80 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:04:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Haven't claimed it (none / 0)

I'm fine with people having reservations.  It's when people go to absurd lengths to try to disparage his character that it gets my goat.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

That One/Another Fella '08

by Dracomicron on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:55:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Haven't claimed it (none / 0)

I suppose the crux here would be what you consider "absurd."  

Saying Obama is a Muslim Manchurian Candidate who wants to appoint Wright to the Supreme Court would be absurd, IMO.  Saying his inconsistency on the Wright topic calls his honesty into question is reasonable.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, flirted with McCain for a bit but it just wasn't meant to be.
by BPK80 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:12:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: We really don't care if you don't vote. (1.00 / 2)

What a bunch of filth,

Well, sweetheart, I hope you like you high-and-mighty moral superiority -
Because it just ain't my vote that Obama is losing.

Today's episode, and Obama's immediate rush to characterize it as -

"Senator Clinton's statement before the Argus Leader editorial board
was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign,"

Was a deliberate attempt to escalate and polarize the issue.

So, yes, there was involvement by Obama's campaign.

And, guess what?
After all the pooh-poohing of working-class whites and Hispanics by Brazile among others - the beyond-the-pale bigotry directed at Clinton supporters in Rust Belt states - it will be with great pleasure that I watch Obama's campaign crash and burn.  You really don't expect them to turn around and then vote for Obama, do you?

It's Lamont all over again.  Lieberman supporters were called everything in the book and then some, but Lamont had to win over a chunk of them to prevail.  What a friggin' brilliant strategy!
Except that the Clintons are the "Great Evil" now, instead of Lieberman.  Always have to have a bogeyman/woman - don't you?

Well, honey, the general; election ain't the Democratic primaries.
No caucuses.  No white liberal guilt votes.
No hands off Obama's lack of experience and questionable judgements.

It's gonna be ugly.
Of course, we Clinton supporters will be sipping our tea
and commenting with fascination about the events -
as disinterested onlookers.


by johnnygunn on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:41:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Again. (none / 0)

Who cares?

You're one person, on the internet with 300-600 batshit crazy people who run around slamming Obama over every perceived slight. Yes. Hillaryis44, NoQuarter and TalkLeft represent a majority of the electorate which is why Senator Clinton won.

[clap clap]

I'll discuss with the rational people who don't see this fight as a struggle between good and evil but instead between two tough candidates who carried half the Democratic party with Obama carrying more delegates and winning the nomination fairly.

If you're not one of them, stop thinking anyone cares. Your opinion is largely meaningless because I don't care for people who think it's my way or the highway.


Commissar: Canadian Gal; Proletariat Policemen: ragekage, Lord Hadrian. "For the Proletariat!"
by Lord Hadrian on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:51:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Again. (none / 0)

Hey -

Clinton doesn't need your vote.
But Obama needs mine -
And the millions of other Clinton supporters who are seriously pissed.

So call me all the names in the world.
But I will be laughing my ass off when you are crying in your beer.

PS - I gotta credit the Obama folks with some mighty fine coalition building skills.  Hoo, mercy!


by johnnygunn on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:01:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Obama doesn't need your vote. (none / 0)

See the little maps you folks usually use to disparage Obama in the corner? That's with the faux outrage being run rampant in the campaign.

After weeks of Wright, Ayers and facing the toughest political family in the country, Obama still wins.

Sit at home and pretend November will end any other way than what's increasingly becoming obvious: Democratic sweep.

And even if it doesn't, still pretend anyone cares whether or not you stayed home. Obama supporters are not beholden to people who think only their candidate can be President.

We're never going to win a fight against someone who can't concede her candidate can lose and might not be President.


Commissar: Canadian Gal; Proletariat Policemen: ragekage, Lord Hadrian. "For the Proletariat!"
by Lord Hadrian on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:06:14 PM EST
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Re: Obama doesn't need your vote. (none / 0)

This is out of control.

Now the motto is "Obama doesn't need your vote."

Does he need anybody's vote?


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, flirted with McCain for a bit but it just wasn't meant to be.
by BPK80 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 04:04:34 AM EST
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What he means (2.00 / 1)

He doesn't need the votes of people who will never vote for him.  He never expected to get everybody's vote, but the numbers support him winning the election with the votes of people that refuse to vote for him, whether it be the 10%-20% of racists in certain states, Operation Chaos character assassins, or people so caught up in Hillary Clinton that they won't accept anyone else.

What we're saying, sometimes inartfully, is that there are some votes that we're comfortable not getting.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

That One/Another Fella '08

by Dracomicron on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:59:48 AM EST
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You're outraged (none / 0)

This is hard to credit. You're outraged over the mild rebuke

"Senator Clinton's statement before the Argus Leader editorial board
was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign,"

So the only conclusion we can have is

"Senator Clinton's statement before the Argus Leader editorial board
was fortunate and has a meaningful place in this campaign"

Do you want to disown that? Or out yourself as a supporter of political violence, intimidation, opportunism and co-ercion?

I mean, with supporters like you, no wonder Hillary has lost.


The Moose is Loose!
by duende on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:53:47 PM EST
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Re: We really don't care if you don't vote. (none / 0)

OMG how typical of the very far left.

"We don't care if you don't vote for us because you're all stupid and ornery!"

1972, 1984, 1988, 2004, 2008...


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, flirted with McCain for a bit but it just wasn't meant to be.
by BPK80 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 04:02:59 AM EST
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